**Ethan** @Ethancdavenport · Jun 30, 2018, 20:14

**Ethan** @Ethancdavenport · Jun 30, 2018, 20:14

Ethan @Ethancdavenport

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I’m sick to death of people being precious about #GMO produce. Functionally there is no difference between a grape bred to have little or no seed and a grape that has been modified in a lab for the same thing. Y’all are just scared of science.

You wanna talk about #Monsanto charging for “licenses” for their crops, ok. Talk about agribusiness killing the planet, ok. Talk about corporations copyrighting genetic code, ok. These are all valid concerns.

But the science is sound.

**Plants and Leftism** @Ashrand@mastodon.xyz · Jun 30, 2018, 22:24

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@Ethancdavenport
The science of how trangenics are made is sound. The problem is the society they are placed into, like any science or technology.
There isn't a question that it's possible to make a stable transgenic crop, the question is the use case. It's not as if we are running out of space or running out of food, as ever the problem is soil erosion and waste. So before you can say 'this is a bad objection' you need to at least ask why its worth discussing at all.

**solidarity with ppl in rojava** @paulfree14@todon.nl · Jun 30, 2018, 23:08

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@Ashrand
for me it always seems as if those that are oposing critic towards #gmo, are actually not aware of the critic itself?
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**Ethan** @Ethancdavenport · 2018-06-30T23:25:27Z

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@paulfree14 @Ashrand I work in a produce department at a grocery store and regularly hear people say “that’s not real food” or “I don’t eat things created in a lab.” That’s what I’m speaking about here: the perception that anything that might be transgenic is ScAaAaRyYY. It’s the same gripe as when people screech about “chemicals!!!”

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**Plants and Leftism** @Ashrand@mastodon.xyz · Jun 30, 2018, 23:44

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@paulfree14
The thing is not that they should get over it, it's that the argument 'for' transgenics is weak.
Before you can give people crap for bad reasoning you need to see why it exists. If people don't trust what they are told about food it's because they are lied to about it when they are even given the choice to be informed. "if companies say GMO is safe, but hide when something is a gmo, I shouldn't trust that" is a good heuristic.

**Ethan** @Ethancdavenport · Jun 30, 2018, 23:53

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@Ashrand @paulfree14 that’s fair, although I disagree about pro-transgenic arguments being weak. Norman Borlaug won a Nobel prize for his dwarf wheat strains and increased food security in places that had little before. Improving quality of life for vast swathes of people is a pretty strong argument imo. I’m very receptive to anti-corporate arguments though. Profit, as always, is not a wholesome motivator.

**Plants and Leftism** @Ashrand@mastodon.xyz · Jul 01, 2018, 00:05

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@paulfree14
My issue is that dependance on monocultures do not engender food security, Borlaug, if you want to bring him up, understood this very well which is why his work on dwarf cultivars involved so much cross-breeding, more genetic diversity means more expression of disease resistant genes.
Even then Borlaug's work on dwarfing didn't demand transgenics so to already suspicious people it looks like you are trying to confuse the issue.

**Ethan** @Ethancdavenport · Jul 01, 2018, 00:10

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@Ashrand @paulfree14 I think I definitely need to do more research on this topic. Totally with you on monoculture.

**Plants and Leftism** @Ashrand@mastodon.xyz · Jul 01, 2018, 00:25

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@paulfree14
That I can agree with for everyone to be honest, It's such a politisized topic that it's hard to get reliable information. Which is exactly why people without the knowledge or access to learning saying "i don't get it but i'm clearly getting a hard sell so yeah maybe not" is a stance I support.