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ivermectin and conversation around it 

It appears there is some evidence that ivermectin can cause sterility in humans with testes.

This is not an opportunity to joke about weeding out the gene pool or whatever.

That’s just straight up eugenics and nazi shit. Keep it out of your mouth and out of your mind and ideally out of your heart.

Racists and other bigots are such because they materially benefit from it, and they enjoy being cruel, not because they have “inferior genes.” Those don’t exist.

ivermectin and conversation around it, another angle 

@Ethancdavenport Saying that you want shitty conservative people to not be able to reproduce is telling your friends who survived shitty conservative parents that you wish they were never born.

Just incase "it's literally eugenics" isn't enough to convince someone.

ivermectin and conversation around it, another angle 

@bunny_jane and like, not all vaccine-hesitant or -resistant people in this situation are raging bigots. Certainly there is a large overlap, but many of these people have been abused by the profit-motivated medical institution. They should still get vaccinated, but it’s worth remembering there are lots of material forces at play here.

ivermectin and conversation around it, another angle 

@Ethancdavenport @bunny_jane the other reason I don't like to dwell entirely on personal attacks on right wingers is that like ... They're being manipulated by propaganda. I'm not saying they're devoid of responsibility or even that they shouldn't bear most of the responsibility, but imo the rubes at the bottom... There are bigger targets, you know?

ivermectin and conversation around it, another angle 

ivermectin and conversation around it, another angle 

@Ethancdavenport @shoofle @bunny_jane another factor worth incorporating: the study in question is laughably low-N and has questionable dosage levels.

Which is to say, at exactly the same level of believability as the studies saying it does some good.

The odds ivermectin sterilizes people are comparable to the odds it helps with covid at all, which is to say 'most people would be very surprised.'

ivermectin and conversation around it 

@Ethancdavenport ...but there is something cacklingly hilarious about this plus all the f****** choads who wouldn't take the vaccine because "it makes you sterile"

ivermectin and conversation around it 

@Ethancdavenport eat your horse paste, you fucking evil pricks. choke on it. and stay the fuck out of our hospitals, real Americans die from preventable diseases at home alone

ivermectin and conversation around it 

@savedr “real Americans”????

ivermectin and conversation around it 

@Ethancdavenport well, that's what they believe anyway. Really I don't think their suffering is funny either, but my God, they've gotten so many people killed.

ivermectin and conversation around it 

@savedr I feel like you might have missed my point about not using the words or logic of our enemies.

ivermectin and conversation around it 

@savedr suffering is not funny, even when one’s enemies inflict it on themselves. Especially considering how burnt out doctors, nurses, and other medical workers are becoming, dealing with this bullshit.

ivermectin and conversation around it 

@Ethancdavenport also, the single study everyone gets this from is N=38, looking at ivermectin as a treatment for river blindness, with no control group (so could very well purely be caused by the river blindness parasite).

ivermectin and conversation around it 

@f0x yeah, that’s one of the tangential points to be made: these people have been lied to and heavily propagandized. It doesn’t excuse them potentially spreading covid or other heinous shit, but they’re fundamentally working from bad info either way.

ivermectin and conversation around it 

@f0x @Ethancdavenport
I wanted to make sure this aspect gets visibility. In case you or someone you care about gets this kind of mud slung at them, the sterility claim is largely unsubstantiated. It might be better to perpetuate this important detail.

ivermectin and conversation around it 

@Ethancdavenport the 85% figure is also like. based on a 10 year old study that had a sample size of 37, didn't have a control group, and also found decreased sperm rate but never claimed the 85% infertility rate that's being passed around

politifact.com/factchecks/2021

ivermectin and conversation around it 

@trashguts bad info all around!

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