Oooh, Gary is throwing all kinds of shade.
Talking about arm fatigue. Talking about how slow touchscreen interaction is.
But the key takeway remains tight hardware/software integration, which is sorely missing.
And now the HP sales guy is going off on voice controlled computers, and everyone else just kind of side eyes him.
I'm really enjoying #computerchronicles
@ajroach42 MS-DOS (but not PC compatible)
@ajroach42 I still have a working Kaypro 4.
@ajroach42 ever used early versions of MS-DOS...? Pretty much the same thing.
@EvaSkeeva DOS was a daily driver for a number of years, yeah.
@ajroach42 yes there was quite a jumble...in that era, but MS made the deal by buying a cp/m like clone from a guy then quickly tweaked it and under cut everyone and made the deal with IBM to be the OS of thier new PC's. It was a OS that handled disk operations and had a command interpreter with a set group of commands and a basic programming language interpreter. Apple and others were already way ahead of IBM at that time
@ajroach42 What do you want to know? First real micro OS. MSDOS borrowed a lot of ideas from it.
Did it work well? Was it frustrating to use?
@ajroach42 Worked great. Ran a BBS on one for years. The MSDOS file tree is better than CP/M, but it looks and feels like MSDOS for the most part.
@Ricardus I know that CP/M was available on many different hardware architectures.
I'm assuming software would need to be cross compiled between systems, and there wasn't some kind of early VM?
@ajroach42 I've run CP/M emulators on MSDOS, but not a VM as we know them today. I think CP/M was mostly on Z80 machines.
@Ricardus Thanks for the info.
@ajroach42 That video has a demo of Concurrent DOS, and I love how one of the other guests on the show says the multitasking OS brings no real value to the table because it's not really an app that does anything. And we're going to have to sell the general public on the idea of multitasking. 😃
@ajroach42 Gary Kildall and Digital Research (his company) also made a better, multi-tasking MSDOS clone that SHOULD have been what PC's shipped with in the 80s instead of MSDOS. The world would probably be a better place if it had happened. We would have traded Bill Gates for Gary, but Gary was a hippie and environmentalist type and probably a better guy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skri1h3Zjrw
@Ricardus Gary seems like a cool dude.
And DR DOS is pretty great.
IIRC, there was an antitrust lawsuit where microsoft was proven to have stolen some bits of DR DOS?
@ajroach42 There were so many lawsuits I don't even remember.
@ajroach42 Dont accidentally overwrite the base page. It's different than DOS.
@ajroach42 is this like "computer chronicles cagematch" or
@ajroach42 I would say, if you want to try it properly, try the PC version, not the original Apple II version, for one specific reason: the Apple II version has a hackish workaround, around the fact that the Apple II originally didn't have up or down arrows on its keyboard. This can make things... confusing.
The PC version, you have FOUR arrow keys. Such luxury.
Also, it might help to start with an early version of 1-2-3, which shows you what the / menu options actually *do*.
@ajroach42 Also IIRC formulas work totally differently in VisiCalc and 1-2-3, than they do nowadays in Excel.
(Although, funnily, you can still drive Excel 2016 like it's 1-2-3.)
@bhtooefr It was Toastytech where I originally read about the DRM. Glad to know that didn't doom the software to obscurity.
@ajroach42 DRM tends to work on business and educational software, too, so cracking it for preservation is of the highest priority.
AFAIK @email@example.com's Apple II cracking project started as a way to preserve games that had only been preserved in a tampered state (crack screens, missing content to fit into space constraints, and even sometimes partial cracks), but quickly focused on cracking stuff that had never been preserved.
@ajroach42 toastytech has a download for it
@samis I saw!
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