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occasionally, clicking through yet another half-arsed GDPR-mandated cookie management screen, i find myself thinking "the GDPR has buggered up the web"

then i catch myself.

no, it hasn't. the way companies have opted to respond to the GDPR is what's buggered up the web. they could have been nice and unobtrusive about it, but no, they decided that *every user in the EU* should suffer their protests at not being able to stow thousands of fragments of random shite on a whim all over their vict- sorry, users' computers.

Federated Republic of Sean @freakazoid

@thamesynne I don't fully agree. While the idea behind the law is good, even experts have no idea how to comply with a great deal of it. If the pundits talking about it actually knew how to comply, they could make a lot more money as lawyers, because the lawyers sure don't.

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@freakazoid @thamesynne It's not difficult to comply with the GDPR if you're not doing sketchy shit. If you make money off of targeted advertising and user profiling, yeah, it becomes tricky to figure out how to comply. But I don't think you can really blame the GDPR for that!

@varx @thamesynne I don't think it was the intention of the GDPR to outlaw advertising.

@freakazoid The key word here is "targeted". That's the part that involves user tracking.

@varx @thamesynne @freakazoid One might even go so far as to wonder if the intention of the law was to drive those assholes out of business

@bamfic @varx @thamesynne That is the purpose of government, right? Let whoever holds the reins of power put anyone they don't like out of business?

@freakazoid I do have thoughts on the purpose of government and regulation, but I get the sense you're not actually interested in hearing them right now. :-P

@varx I am. I was just trying to snarkily point out the importance of rule of law.

@freakazoid Ah, OK.

Basically, I'm fine with a government passing laws to try to shut down a corporation if the lawmakers think that their *business model* is harmful to civil society. I think that fits perfectly fine with rule of law. Laws generally aren't made until there's a specific instance of a problematic behavior to provoke it; Facebook certainly would serve as an example of that.

@freakazoid If they're targeting a specific corporation for a different reason and come up with an unrelated law as an indirect attack on the company, yeah, that's a rule of law problem.

@varx Right, which is why the requirements for generality and universality are so important. If one can't come up with a law that puts a company you think is bad out of business that is general and universal without also harming a bunch of other companies one thinks aren't bad, it's time to rethink one's ideas about good and bad.

@freakazoid @thamesynne @varx Indeed. And if the people hold the power we can put the malicious actors out of business.

@bamfic @varx @thamesynne Which is why the bad actors always ensure they're the ones with the power.

@freakazoid i think you just made the case for anarchism much more succinctly than i could

@varx @bamfic

@freakazoid @thamesynne only thing I can think is to disable cookies entirely and track sessions with a URL param, but that's buggy and insecure and if implemented smoothly (with js?) would count as tracking anyway...

@chucker @thamesynne @wilbr Yeah and I don't think not using cookies gets you out of anything. It's the tracking that's the issue.