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Media apps and GrapheneOS 

Forbes and Foreign Policy don't work on GrapheneOS, which is OK because I don't really read them much anyway so I probably wouldn't have renewed.

Politico does work, and I've been thinking about subscribing to that for a while.

Media apps and GrapheneOS 

Whoops, I'd forgotten I'm subscribed to The Atlantic. Its app works fine.

Media apps and GrapheneOS 

I really don't like having to use apps for this stuff, but the fact of the matter is that the mobile web experience is inexplicably still terrible. Probably because everyone is focusing on apps. In fact, the desktop web experience is mostly pretty terrible when it comes to media. Probably because the media companies are focusing on mobile. I'd rather deal with these apps than paper magazines and newspapers.

Media apps and GrapheneOS 

@freakazoid Yes, I'd love a phone OS that was contact-centric! And a smart TV OS that was document-centric!

Why does everything today have to be apps? Oh right, marketability...

Media apps and GrapheneOS 

@alcinnz It's the same model that Microsoft originally won with. Developers sell "applications" for an "operating system" that is bundled with the hardware for a fee that the hardware purchaser either cannot avoid or must jump through hoops to avoid. The developers also pay a tax to the operating system maker, who almost always also made the hardware in the case of Apple, and now sometimes does with MS and Google as well.

The model doesn't necessarily require applications, but it does require discrete units of some kind, and if it's not applications branding becomes difficult and people forget what they're paying for.

We need a different funding model, but government funding definitely isn't the answer because government doesn't have the right set of incentives. A voluntary subscription model is probably best, with payments divided among developers/groups based on usage or community discretion.

Media apps and GrapheneOS 

@alcinnz I think FLOSS's biggest problem is its tendency to fragment. The right to fork is considered important, but community governance is so hard that it's extremely unlikely that any given fork will do anything other than harm both projects at best. Best case scenario is it dies quickly or kills the original project quickly. KDE/GNOME dichotomy is one of the most destructive examples. KDE's willingness to use Qt despite the license showed them to be bad community members who should have been ostracized in the beginning.

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@alcinnz I think FLOSS loses not because the skills aren't there but because so many more think that the ability to write code is enough. And industry encourages that, because they *want* FLOSS weak so they can control it. That's ESR's legacy.

Media apps and GrapheneOS 

@alcinnz There's also the fact that FLOSS suffered from a lack of projects and developers for so long, so it welcomed all comers. That's no longer the case, so we can start telling those who cause harm to get fucked.

Media apps and GrapheneOS 

@freakazoid

Do you propose governance be baked into the license, and be the "cultural legacy" that every derived work must respect?

I'm tempted to explore how this might work out in practice. Any examples would be great, even obscure one-person projects.

@alcinnz

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@prasoon @alcinnz Licenses are a pretty blunt instrument. And governance is so hard to get right I don't think there's any way one can be sure they'll get it right the first time. So I think the right to fork is an important safety valve. The most obvious "good fork" is one where the original project rapidly dies, like Xorg vs Xfree86. If both projects kind of lurch along with no clear winner, that seems like a bad fork. For example, 99% of Linux distros.

Media apps and GrapheneOS 

@freakazoid @alcinnz that Qt license is the curse that keeps cursing, even now! I think a funding mechanism for the base libraries people can build on is critical

Media apps and GrapheneOS 

@michel_slm @freakazoid Ah yes, Qt devs recently showed they have no qualms with aiding surveillance advertising. And news headlines incorrectly conflated that to represent KDE as a whole.

Yes, there does need to be a funding mechanism! And it can't be a tax on apps since there's not all that much money sloshing around there...

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@michel_slm @freakazoid Bringing this back to the desire for a nicer TV OS though, seems relatively easy to subscription-monetize that! Offer periodic hand-curated recommendations for what you can enjoy on it, and split the funding between core-OS dev & arts.

Heavily push this upon obtaining the TV, OS or device.

That could be a win-win-win...

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@freakazoid huh, I never even tried their app, their website is OKish.

Seattle Times is the comical outlier, the app is *worse* than mobile web. Not sure how.

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